But in that precise case, LMS and Squeezelite are still at the core and do the heavy lifting. Re UPNP huge step back, I would agree with you that trying to have MediaServer and MediaRenderer working well with any MediaControlPoint is a nightmare in general - it never works, it is slow to enumerate, crashes all the time, complains about unsupported formats etc etc. If not, I'll still have learnt something during that development :-) At the end of the day, this is a fun project and hopefully it will work and be useful for others. I'm not saying this is the best and/or only solution, I'm just trying this route that would work very well for me (currently that "bridge" is done in HW in my system, by analogue connection between a Touch and PLAY:5, this is flawless for sync but not great for control). For that project, I've decided to try to see if I could build a fully SW, auto-setup, no complicated installation required, bridge between each Sonos device and LMS, so that a Sonos device would automatically show up in the LMS device list. I'm sitting a bit on both chairs, sometimes I go the HW route, sometimes the SW route, sometimes a bit of both. Some prefer to be more hobbyist and tinker with hardware. ![]() Some prefer quality of sound above any complication, some prefer simplicity of use of purist quality. But the reality is that the BoomBox, Radio and other SB are discontinued and some people like to buy off-the shelf, consumer grade & look "extensions/replacement" solutions and just have them working out-of-the box, even if they don't have all the flexibility of a native SB device. What's the limitation with replacing squeezebox devices with hifiberrys and the like? why these obvious ads for the overpriced and less flexible sonos system in every replacement thread?Just a quick answer (although I've read your other arguments with PasTim) : this is all about a transition strategy to be able to inject any uPNP media renderer in your network and still be able to use it in conjunction with your existing LMS "ecosystem". Isn't UPnP a HUGE step back? What about replaygain, gapless playback, support for wide variety of formats, tight synchronization of devices etc. But it's open, configurable, and it's much more future-proof than any DLNA box you can buy off-the-shelf. ![]() Sure, the Pi (or other suitable devices) constitutes yet another gadget. TL DR: Most closed DLNA devices give you limited functionality and, furthermore, have a extremely limited support lifecycle. Additionally, it's hard to customize heavily locked-down consumer electronics devices. Compare that to a Pi which is basically un-brickable. But I certainly don't wanna brick a 47" HDTV which I plan to continue using for a number of years. Now, I could try to put custom firmwares on some of my proprietary, DLNA-capable devices (nowadays it's even possible to root some Sony TVs). The community is so large that I predict I will receive updates (including new features) for at least another 3 years. It's been getting OS and application updates ever since. After all, Pio wants me to buy a new model in a few years and accumulate suffiently many new features in the meantime.Ĭompare that to a Raspberry Pi. And, as Pio has released the 2015 model, it's unlikely to receive any further firmware updates. I haven't figured out how to play to it (except for initiating the playback from the AV receiver itself). However, it completely sucks as a controller, the GUI frequently hangs and functionality is extremely basic. You can forget about advanced DLNA/UPnP features. But all they seem to be doing is to work on their own VoD services and on Amazon VoD. Sony is still providing firmware updates for the TV. But apparently, they merely wanted to implement DLNA so that they have it as a checkbox feature. Then I have a Sony LCD TV which is maybe 3 years old. And the latest firmware from LG has NOT fixed the issue. And, of course, the device is pretty much locked down so you can't just fix the issue yourself. ![]() ![]() The device is out of its warranty and support period and they want you to buy a newer model. Googling reveals it is a widespread problem with that LG model. It does that with all four servers I've tried (the one running on my current router, the one running on my previous router, LMS, and the one running on my Synology NAS). Since a firmware update which I got maybe 3 years ago, it reboots (!) whenever I try to browse one of my UPnP AV servers. I own a 4-5 year old Blu Ray player from LG which is DLNA certified. But a big part of the problem with UPnP, in my mind, is that it's mostly implemented in products with closed software/firmware. One can comment on 'features', and get answers.I wholeheartedly agree. One of the enormous advantages of open and free software is that forums, like this one, often work really well.
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